mentuat Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 What's with their attempts to faithfully recreate other peoples games? I mean, I get that they are rebuilding them from scratch and adding their own graphics - but copying the level layouts so accurately is a bit lazy! original: https://robowhale.com/html5/LetMeGrow/deploy/marketJS: http://cdn-factory.marketjs.com/en/baby-whale-rescue/index.html original: http://happylander.com/games/pilotheroes/marketJS: http://cdn-factory.marketjs.com/en/pilot-training/index.html It's an interesting strategy - look around and see what games are doing well, then copy them as closely as they can get away with! I wonder how many other peoples games they have 'recreated' in this way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrj Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Creator of 1st game (Let Me Grow) here. I must admit that copy of our game is done "smart". They copied everything that can not be copyrighted - setting, UI, level design. Anyway shame on you, MarketJs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smrdis Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Typical clonemakers, nothing unusual. original: http://hypnocatstudio.com/monsterjongmarketJS: http://cdn-factory.marketjs.com/en/monster-mahjong/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10b Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Fortunately the clones seem to almost entirely lack the charm and re-playability of the originals. Copying level designs (e.g. from Let Me Grow) tile-for-tile requires no creativity or enhancement - are you sure this is not an infringement of copyright / expression of an idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalfluff Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 are you sure this is not an infringement of copyright / expression of an idea? Short answer: yes. Long answer: if basic ideas/themes/stories were copyrightable, there would be no game market without anyone paying royalties to all those 1980s arcade companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdy Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 They even copy music from famous anime - http://www.marketjs.com/item/wild-west-shootout Cowboy Bebop Intro - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WombatTurkey Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Rich should add a marketjs word filter on the forums. Absolutely despicable behavior, they should be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno_ Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I didn't knew marketjs, but copys of games exist a lot. There are many angry birds, flappy birds, worms,... clones. It means the original is good. Keep making great games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10b Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Short answer: yes. Long answer: if basic ideas/themes/stories were copyrightable, there would be no game market without anyone paying royalties to all those 1980s arcade companies. Hey fatalfluff, I'm not talking about copyrights on ideas (not possible) but copyrights on the expression of an idea (i.e. the concrete level designs). Have a look into The Tetris Company vs Xio for some interesting judgement specifics around grid size, probability of piece fits, UI previews etc. Such case law suggest that when wholesale copying occurs it may be possible to protect ourselves (although still probably financially unwise to do so!?!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky_ Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Wow, I use to check MarketJS in order to keep me updated, as they are one of the old publishers in the HTML5 market. It's very sad to see that these guys are taking that path simply copying other games ideas including level design... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahootbird Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Wait a sec - isn't marketJS developer driven though? i.e developers submit there games to the site expecting to get paid if the game sells? If I'm right in understanding that, then isn't it other developers who are ripping off these games and submitting to marketJS under the pretense of an original game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdrj Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Wait a sec - isn't marketJS developer driven though? i.e developers submit there games to the site expecting to get paid if the game sells? If I'm right in understanding that, then isn't it other developers who are ripping off these games and submitting to marketJS under the pretense of an original game?They were trying to become kind of marketplace but afaik they abandon this idea eventually. I was talking with MarketJs owner regarding it about year ago. I think that they are developing games internally at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holaverse_Fendy Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Because market JS has many games to choose, so when other developers have the similar games, we will think twice buy them or not. Seems unfair, but it is difficult to prove who create first right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bambo Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Here is an interesting thread about similar case:http://forums.indiegamer.com/threads/can-level-design-be-copyrighted.29827/ Have you guys tried to contact with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentuat Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Have you guys tried to contact with them?yeah, have spoken to the guy that runs MarketJS and anticipate his response in this thread after he's been able to review the situtation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webcaetano Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Apparently they removed both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdy Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Apparently they removed both No they didn't, just somehow our links in this forum don't work, but the games are still there if you first go to marketjs.com. So sneaky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentuat Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 I fixed the links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalfluff Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 No they didn't, just somehow our links in this forum don't work, but the games are still there if you first go to marketjs.com. So sneaky! Now that was a bitch-move. Out with the pitchforks and gas-drums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Hi everyone, I appreciate the comments. We work with partner designers and developers from around the world. We care a lot about the quality of the game, how it performs for the device & user. I can say for future games produced, they will be more innovative (we're trying a lot of new things with partners). If there's still concern, please email hello at marketjs dot com, demonstrate that you're the owner, and we'll review your request via email. Hope this helps, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozdy Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hi everyone, I appreciate the comments. We work with partner designers and developers from around the world. We care a lot about the quality of the game, how it performs for the device & user. I can say for future games produced, they will be more innovative (we're trying a lot of new things with partners). If there's still concern, please email hello at marketjs dot com, demonstrate that you're the owner, and we'll review your request via email. Hope this helps, thanks. Try this super innovative thing of having shame and not copying 1:1 level design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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